b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
02-16-2006, 09:45 PM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by RotaryGeek
did you just say you are paying someone to put it in? wtf, why? do it yourself, don't be a -----. the only way you will learn is by doing it. have a friend help you or something, but don't pay anybody to do ----. unless its like wheel alignment or something you seriously can't do yourself like head work ( i.e. port and polish)
02-16-2006, 09:49 PM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by ghettoturbo
if this is a long-term car, go with the b16 since you will have more room for improvement later imho.....otherwise boost the ---- out of your stock motor
02-19-2006, 05:10 AM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
b18? only if it has c1 or c5 at the end, or ls/vtec. vtec all the way man, if you going dohc, make it vtec, if you are staying sohc make it vtec. vtec vtach v-tech vtech vtek ivtec
b16 is the answer
b16 is the answer
02-19-2006, 05:20 AM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by rudebwoy
b18? only if it has c1 or c5 at the end, or ls/vtec. vtec all the way man, if you going dohc, make it vtec, if you are staying sohc make it vtec. vtec vtach v-tech vtech vtek ivtec
b16 is the answer
b16 is the answer
02-19-2006, 12:08 PM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
this thread would be really informative if it wasnt for all of the NA haters...hell, even the site creator himself did an NA setup..isnt that right jeff?
It all depends what your goals are, lets not forget that horsepower and torque numbers have little to do with how fast you end up going, torque is good off the line, but there is also such thing as too much torque which kills performance on a front wheel dive car,
Why is it that a 400HP turbo civic makes it down the track and runs a 12 and then the same civic but with a good NA setup runs a similar time?...gearing and RPM have alot to do with it, the D series shortest gear tranny is the Z6 as far as I know, and the B16 will walk all over it. B series swaps are much more durable in the long run, can take much more abuse and can carry the RPM's much higher and being a DOHC they have a wider range of tuning than a SOHC.
I say you go with a B16 or B18 swap, B18 swap is more turbo friendly and will put out some very good numbers, a B16 with a perfect RS will put out some nice RPM's..
I've seen gains up and over 200HP on stock B16's with bolt ons and good cams, all this runs about as much as a good reliable turbo setup. you can then push a B16 further, get a good tune and get the RPM's up to 9k and make over 240whp.
Sure eventualy it comes to the point where the NA setup will start becoming more expensive than a turbo, but you will still be as fast if not faster, for one, there is no turbo lag, secondly you can have a much greater powerband. hell stic some nitrous in there and have 300 hp
if youre really on a budget, just stick with the D series and throw on a simple kit on it, dont get too boost happy and stay around 180 horsepower, you'll be happy with it.
It all depends what your goals are, lets not forget that horsepower and torque numbers have little to do with how fast you end up going, torque is good off the line, but there is also such thing as too much torque which kills performance on a front wheel dive car,
Why is it that a 400HP turbo civic makes it down the track and runs a 12 and then the same civic but with a good NA setup runs a similar time?...gearing and RPM have alot to do with it, the D series shortest gear tranny is the Z6 as far as I know, and the B16 will walk all over it. B series swaps are much more durable in the long run, can take much more abuse and can carry the RPM's much higher and being a DOHC they have a wider range of tuning than a SOHC.
I say you go with a B16 or B18 swap, B18 swap is more turbo friendly and will put out some very good numbers, a B16 with a perfect RS will put out some nice RPM's..
I've seen gains up and over 200HP on stock B16's with bolt ons and good cams, all this runs about as much as a good reliable turbo setup. you can then push a B16 further, get a good tune and get the RPM's up to 9k and make over 240whp.
Sure eventualy it comes to the point where the NA setup will start becoming more expensive than a turbo, but you will still be as fast if not faster, for one, there is no turbo lag, secondly you can have a much greater powerband. hell stic some nitrous in there and have 300 hp
if youre really on a budget, just stick with the D series and throw on a simple kit on it, dont get too boost happy and stay around 180 horsepower, you'll be happy with it.
