SkunT

to see what everyone is talking about.

dragon

i see fair enough..well expect to get pissed off after you watch it..

SkunT

yeah I have heard the same thing.

although, everything that he does 'wrong' isnt really wrong. I will make that opinion once I see the movie. I cant start making blind sided opinions.

J-SMITH69

sccaeg you will be pissed off after you watch the movie. moore edits scenes so that it'll show a wounded iraqi kid (most likely from a bombing by a terrorist) and then show a completely different (doesn't have anything to do with the other scene) of some marines high fiving each other.

im mean the two videos arent' even from the same month let alone at the same time. he just tries to make it look like the marines are high fiving each other after they frag some little kid.

moore is a fat peice of ----

davcivic

I would not mind watching it to see what all the fuss is about, but right or wrong, you have to understand that this guy has an agenda, and the power to cut, edit, change, whatever he wants in his movie to present his point of view. So pretty much, most of the movie will not be based on facts, but based on that fat bastard's opinion. Is Bush right or wrong? I don't know, I have no personal opinion, but the reality is that moore manipulated alot of fotage to fit his purpose.

and that kids is my .02 cents

SkunT

blocked gy firewall....ohh well. guess I didnt need it that bad anyways!

Chacko

I am not going to flame you Random, your argument is perfectly valid.

But let's look at what Moore's objective was. He is not a truth-telling journalist, he is a political flamer.

His purpose was to design a movie that would draw in LARGE crowds of people and hold them in a mental stasis while he slowly formulates opinions in their head. Unless you're smarter enough to catch on to this before you watch the film, you're going to get pulled in. This is why America is in the shape its in; most people go by uncited, and unsupported facts to generalize their information - rather than referring to the source.

Bush's actions, the war, whatever they're all debatable about ethical stances but we can't formulate any opinion when we only look at one sides case (obviously Moore is antagonist to Bush).

I'm not saying you are wrong or anything, because you're not. But of course that movie is biased Thats his objective.

Chacko

To the soldier that made the post originally, I am curious why you think that country needed so much reform?

I have two friends that are in the military. One of them is in the army (deployed until August), and the other in the air force that is leaving for there next month (unknown when he will come back).

My friend in the army has wrote countlessly about how much it sucks out there. I mean, the weather, the people, everything in general. He is extremely home sick and doesn't feel like we're making any difference out there.

I cannot say that I have the most accurate opinion about the war, but I can say with a solid tone that we really didn't belong in there at this time. To much was going on at home, a falling economy, a rising deficit, and security breaches.

I know that Saddam Hussein is one of the worst humans to ever live; he needs to be punished (though in my opinion he should have been put on trial before the UN, rather then just his country, since he was in fact a ruler of a nation. I don't see how a ruler can be succumbed to his own laws.) Anyways thats for another argument.

I am just asking what it is specifically that makes you think we had to be there? I know from what I have been told out there, the people are very distrusting on the most part of Americans. There is still alot of rampant Islamic militants running about, and he and most of the other soldiers have been told numerous times not to trust any of the Iraqi's (because of the suicide bombings). Anywyas he really has no personal political opinion about the situation, because he can be extremely against it - and yet he still has to serve his time out there. So he's kind of just given up on it.

Now you're coming from almost an entirely different approach, please fill me in. I would like to know what you feel (and no I am not being sarcastic).

BTW, he was a guard at a base near Boulder, CO. Only enlisted for the GI bill to get through school. Why did you enlist?

1337

People are ignorant and do anything to get and be the center of attention. I myself would just like to say this is a voting year and keep in mind the actions taken by president bush for his term to determine who you are voting for, even though the canidate for president are nothing to get excited for.

Chacko

Correct, Moore's argument is "irrational". He doesn't apply to the rule of a "sound" argument (a sound argument is an argument which has truthful claims [evidence] or irrefutable claims. If we accept the claims in such a matter then logically the conclusion is true as well).

Moore attempts to overwrite the soundness of his arguments by appealing to the ethos of anger. This is a powerful way to deliver a message, and only some people can tell when they are being played this way (especially if this occurs in a day to day event).

Anyways, I am starting to ramble.

I just had to add an opinion about supporting the President.

I dont think as a country we have to agree with the President; we were founded upon the principle that we can say and think what we not (its great). The president is a representative of the people, if the people don't say anything about feeling mistreated then the president cannot improve conditions and there is no progress.

I will accept responsibility for the actions of this country, because I enjoy the benefits of the country (Socratic). However one of those benefits is that I may speak freely and criticize freely. Though I feel that when I do make criticism I base it on facts, rather then stipulation. I attempt to analyze the situation, and deliver it as little in a method that is directly insulting and more creatively critical.

Instead of making fun of the situation or just being a critic, I try to think up proper solutions.

I try to share my solutions with others because it is the only way to strengthen the outcome. Sometimes you can't think up everything on your own, and another person can give you important feedback.

Its one thing to say that the war is wrong. Its another to explain how it went wrong, or why it is justified - depending upon the evidence that you present.

If you're going to make the argument, you should have valid evidence (and a sound argument) to support you.

I hope I didn't bore everyone.

I'm going to bed.
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