the 05 mustang...
10-05-2004, 06:39 PM
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Re:the 05 mustang...
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Johnny can say whatever he wants. It just seems to me like if honda can make a motor to get that much per liter, than all of the other manufacturers should be able to at least come close to it.
All these years you've heard, <in redneck voice> "There's no replacement for displacemnet", yet it doesn't seem like they're using thier displacement to it's full potential.
Hey, look at the bright side. The new mustang has as many valves per cylinder as an hf.
All these years you've heard, <in redneck voice> "There's no replacement for displacemnet", yet it doesn't seem like they're using thier displacement to it's full potential.
Hey, look at the bright side. The new mustang has as many valves per cylinder as an hf.
the 4.6l motor does not have to rev to the sky to produce enough horsepower and torque to move the mustang along pretty fast...
the k20 2.0l motor HAS to rev to the sky to move the civic si very slowly...
compare the gas mileage on both the cars, civic si, mustang... probably not that far apart...
mustang gt 17/25 13.99 1/4
civic si 26/30 high 15s? 16 flat? 1/4
the 4.6l motor is SOHC, so its not a technology gap that is making the 4.6l produce less hp per liter... its PURE REVS.
IF, ford wanted to they can make a 4.6l motor rev to 9k... it would produce 100hp/l and would be fast as ----, its called FORD RACING. it would get terrible gas mileage shifting the powerband up that high, and the gears accordingly to use the powerband.
the bottom line is the 4.6l DOES NOT NEED TO REV OUT LIKE THE k20 has to... IT IS VERY POSSIBLE, and IT HAS BEEN DONE MANY TIMES... check out ford racing and look at their new mustang GT race car...
what is the point of making the 4.6l rev to 9k? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO... TO MAKE THE MUSTANG RUN 13.99 STOCK. with all the air intake and exhaust restrictions... it can do it without revving that high, it also makes the motor last a lot longer, and give the owner less trouble. and since the motor produces torque, certain gears can be used to maximize gas mileage, and still retain the performance.
revs = wear
i do see another muscle car era coming along, i do not see many 4 cylinder cars that will be able to hang, the only ones able to as ones pushing 16-20psi stock, and i am certain that the motor in the evo pushin' whatever it does 16+ pounds, will not last as long as a 4.6l mod motor. btw the hemi magnums are pretty fast, in the 14s...
turbos and their excess heat ruin motors... sure there are turbo motors lasting longer than 200k miles, but they're in minivans and huge trucks, they are not in performance cars, just drive around and take a look at all the turbo benz's and turbo vovols that blow smoke.... heat is the enemy, high revs and turbochargers wear on a motor...
oh and guy at my work just got his pre-order'd c6 vette today, lemme tell you it is amazing... ls2 motor is amazing. displacement on demand... 400hp/400torque... the car is completly keyless, push button start. gigantic brakes... very very light... yes the back end does push in like on the show topgear or wahtever... i tried it :P makes the some'bitch very light and agile. they're amazing cars...
10-05-2004, 07:47 PM
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Re:the 05 mustang...
I guess what we're getting with honda is only something that Ford can give on the track.
We're still talking about a Ford, right? 
I think the bottom line is that I hate Ford, love honda, and think it's funny to see Random start throwing stats in a "holy quadnie post". lol (it's not that I really care who's car is better, even though........ I know.
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it can do it without revving that high, it also makes the motor last a lot longer, and give the owner less trouble.
I think the bottom line is that I hate Ford, love honda, and think it's funny to see Random start throwing stats in a "holy quadnie post". lol (it's not that I really care who's car is better, even though........ I know.
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10-05-2004, 09:07 PM
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Re:the 05 mustang...
japan is basically the only place where companies build
high revving no torque motors...
high revs = more hp, less torque, high powerband, short gears
low revs = more torque, less hp, mid powerband, long gears.
05 ford focus base model 136 @ 600 / 133 @ 4500
05 civic coupe base model 127 @ 6000 / 114 @ 4800
the new accords are great cars and have a engine that produces horsepower and torque on the same level, that is why they sell good in the US... people want torque for everday driving, no one wants to wrap out their engine to keep up with traffic...
2.4l 160@5500 161@4500
high revving no torque motors...
high revs = more hp, less torque, high powerband, short gears
low revs = more torque, less hp, mid powerband, long gears.
05 ford focus base model 136 @ 600 / 133 @ 4500
05 civic coupe base model 127 @ 6000 / 114 @ 4800
the new accords are great cars and have a engine that produces horsepower and torque on the same level, that is why they sell good in the US... people want torque for everday driving, no one wants to wrap out their engine to keep up with traffic...
2.4l 160@5500 161@4500
