$$Tuning$$
04-28-2007, 09:56 PM
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Re: $$Tuning$$
Well conserding has a young young man riding my skateboard to one of the OG builders shops and working for free his street carwas trapping at 104 mph all motor in a street car. No chipped ecu's at this time circa 1995. The car imo was around 185-190 whp to trap at those speeds at 2500 ft elevation. Car was run a stock p72 external larger fuel pump and rigged together fpr to get fuel pressure to 50 psi with vaccum. Stock block b18c1,port work. Anyone who swears Hondas have really evolved that much doesnt know their History.
04-28-2007, 10:03 PM
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Re: $$Tuning$$
Basically the dyno sheets jeff posted up.
Last I checked - two years ago - most of the mid-low 11 second NDRA street cars and a large number of the 10 second race cars were running stock GSR .bins (100% duty is 100% duty) with revlimits bumped/removed, 310-345cc injectors, and an AFC to dial things in. Nice thing for them is as they leaned out the fuel it'd simultaneously advance their timing 2-3 degrees. All 230-250 whp setups.
Last I checked - two years ago - most of the mid-low 11 second NDRA street cars and a large number of the 10 second race cars were running stock GSR .bins (100% duty is 100% duty) with revlimits bumped/removed, 310-345cc injectors, and an AFC to dial things in. Nice thing for them is as they leaned out the fuel it'd simultaneously advance their timing 2-3 degrees. All 230-250 whp setups.
04-28-2007, 10:15 PM
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Yup. Chipped ecu is nice to set vtec/rev. Alot of people dont want to think about it but skunk2 did break into the 10's on a fields vtec controller and a stock p30 map with duty at 100 at wot. The real skunk2 bin thats the one that was in their drag car and what they sold for years before the chipped ecu world became open to the common man
Again things havent changed that much. Final closing Im a huge fan of itr/ctr cams and some nice port work but that will only have a nice useable power range. If you like 6000 vtec crossover and reving a stock top end motor to 9500 to impress the ignorant 19 year old in the passanger seat that their deal. The bigger cams the better right.
Again things havent changed that much. Final closing Im a huge fan of itr/ctr cams and some nice port work but that will only have a nice useable power range. If you like 6000 vtec crossover and reving a stock top end motor to 9500 to impress the ignorant 19 year old in the passanger seat that their deal. The bigger cams the better right.
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Basically the dyno sheets jeff posted up.
Last I checked - two years ago - most of the mid-low 11 second NDRA street cars and a large number of the 10 second race cars were running stock GSR .bins (100% duty is 100% duty) with revlimits bumped/removed, 310-345cc injectors, and an AFC to dial things in. Nice thing for them is as they leaned out the fuel it'd simultaneously advance their timing 2-3 degrees. All 230-250 whp setups.
Last I checked - two years ago - most of the mid-low 11 second NDRA street cars and a large number of the 10 second race cars were running stock GSR .bins (100% duty is 100% duty) with revlimits bumped/removed, 310-345cc injectors, and an AFC to dial things in. Nice thing for them is as they leaned out the fuel it'd simultaneously advance their timing 2-3 degrees. All 230-250 whp setups.
04-29-2007, 09:31 AM
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Re: $$Tuning$$
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
So you like dialling in injector offset on a GSR basemap and having the high cam AFRs set in three pulls for $500 and a smiling lie about how the car runs "great and makes good power" for the tool owner?
I'm not morally bankrupt like that. I feel like I have to be honest with them that they wasted a pile of money, and that they are stupid and shouldn't breed. For some reason people like rip off artists like yourself who do nothing but lie better than they like me. Go figure.
I'm not morally bankrupt like that. I feel like I have to be honest with them that they wasted a pile of money, and that they are stupid and shouldn't breed. For some reason people like rip off artists like yourself who do nothing but lie better than they like me. Go figure.
Plus, through doing this, i'm slowly getting a reputation, which lets me get my hands on more interesting cars.
04-29-2007, 09:37 AM
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Eh, I wasn't attacking you. I've understood for a long time now that my personal moral structure is incompatible with the real world and the common man trying to provide for his family. Aside from the car thing, I usually keep my mouth shut about what I think.
04-29-2007, 01:21 PM
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So far all of the cars Ive been tuning are na gsr or h22 swaped cars that have been running off of ebay chips. So I don't feel like Ive lied to anyone. If I run into anyone with a the right ecu for their engine I'll tell them that I can't really find anymore power for them.
But I can guarantee they'll be begging me to lower their vtec crossover or add a studder box.
I don't charge even close to $500 I even trade for parts I need if they have them so their not out much money and they gat what they want and I make a few dollars and have one more person sending work my way. I don't see the moral issue here.
I wouldn't have somebody get a conversion harness and a chipped p28 just so I could charge them to burn a stock map for their engine and send them on their way. I'd feel like an -------. :1
But I can guarantee they'll be begging me to lower their vtec crossover or add a studder box.
I don't charge even close to $500 I even trade for parts I need if they have them so their not out much money and they gat what they want and I make a few dollars and have one more person sending work my way. I don't see the moral issue here.
I wouldn't have somebody get a conversion harness and a chipped p28 just so I could charge them to burn a stock map for their engine and send them on their way. I'd feel like an -------. :1
04-29-2007, 09:15 PM
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Re: $$Tuning$$
Originally Posted by Dmc1
I wouldn't have somebody get a conversion harness and a chipped p28 just so I could charge them to burn a stock map for their engine and send them on their way. I'd feel like an -------. :1
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