Garrett 60-1 vs Turbonetics 60-1
Garrett 60-1 vs Turbonetics 60-1
01-22-2011, 04:48 PM
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Oh Boy, this is going to take some time to explain...
RE-TurboFB,
This is a tough question to answer because it comes down to basically asking "is a Chevy 1500 better than Ford F-150, or do you get a Dodge 1500?" It's a question that you have to narrow down with each exact model from each competitor. I will try to explain and I hope that it makes some sense.
The 60-1 compressor wheel is what actually describes the turbo you are talking about. It is a 7 bladed compressor wheel which has been revised over the years between 6 and 8 times, I don't know exactly the amount of revisions because the inner circles at the big turbo companies keep most of the fine details hushed up. The wheel has been around since at least the 1970's and was originally designed by Garrett.
The 60-1 compressor wheel can then be mated to a wide assortment of turbine wheels. Commonly the turbine wheel of choice is a "Stage 3" or "Stage 5" turbine wheel. These are what are commonly used on turbo 4 cylinder applications looking to produce 300 to 500 horsepower reliably. On larger displacement engines, rotary engines, and diesel applications, the 60-1 compressor wheel has been commonly been mated to an "O" or "P" trim turbine wheel which are both pretty large depending on the application. I know for a fact that a stock Mustang 4.6L Engine responds very well to a single turbo setup featuring a 60-1 turbocharger running a stage 5 turbine wheel. If the 4.6L Engine is mildly built up with good flowing heads, then you want a 60-1 turbo mated to an O trim turbine wheel.
Now on to the big question, which one is better...
Turbonetics was founded in 1978, so up until about 12 or 15 years ago, they were buying a lot of parts from Garrett, BorgWarner, and KKK. They built one hell of a business taking other companies parts, putting them together and building better performance based turbochargers with the purpose of racing than the larger companies were doing who actually manufactured the parts. The company grew quickly and they make pretty awesome turbo's which today are mostly designed in house and produced for them (I'm not always sure where or who actually owns the equipment, it’s kept hushed pretty well). So at this point the argument comes down to this, they both make pretty great products just depends on who builds what you are looking for.
Pound for pound, a 60-1 turbo produced by Turbonetics or Garrett in the last 10 years are both pretty good turbo's that probably only vary as far as the center cartridge internal parts go and these aren't really huge differences.
Now for a little twist, a few years back Garrett introduced the "GT" series of turbochargers while Turbonetics fired back a short time later with their "GT-K" turbo line. Both of these turbo's feature ball bearing center sections along with updated turbine and compressor technology. Turbonetics makes the "GT-K 550" and Garrett produces the "GTX3076R - 803713-1" which are both the latest incarnations of the 60-1 compressor wheel with the most modern turbine wheels mated to them. To the naked eye, these compressor and turbine wheels do not appear to be much different than the regular old parts made before these two lines, but I know from running the Garrett 3076R-803713-1 on a 2.0L 4G63, the spool up due to the ball bearing center section and GT technology turbine wheel is about 3-400 rpms quicker in spool up than my older 60-1 standard bearing turbo with a stage 3 turbine wheel. I have not had the opportunity to get my hands on a GT-K 550 from Turbonetics but have read good things about the turbo on other forums.
Well, sorry for the small novel, but that is about the only way I could explain what is different about them. I would say that pound for pound they are both very good turbochargers. I can even toss in a dark horse by tying in the analogy of “do you buy a ford, chevy, or dodge truck”. BorgWarner makes a turbocharger called the S256 which has extended tip technology and if you were looking to purchase a brand new Garrett or Turbonetics off the shelf, I would also look at the S256 from BW.
Hope that helps! If you have more questions, I may have answers!
This is a tough question to answer because it comes down to basically asking "is a Chevy 1500 better than Ford F-150, or do you get a Dodge 1500?" It's a question that you have to narrow down with each exact model from each competitor. I will try to explain and I hope that it makes some sense.
The 60-1 compressor wheel is what actually describes the turbo you are talking about. It is a 7 bladed compressor wheel which has been revised over the years between 6 and 8 times, I don't know exactly the amount of revisions because the inner circles at the big turbo companies keep most of the fine details hushed up. The wheel has been around since at least the 1970's and was originally designed by Garrett.
The 60-1 compressor wheel can then be mated to a wide assortment of turbine wheels. Commonly the turbine wheel of choice is a "Stage 3" or "Stage 5" turbine wheel. These are what are commonly used on turbo 4 cylinder applications looking to produce 300 to 500 horsepower reliably. On larger displacement engines, rotary engines, and diesel applications, the 60-1 compressor wheel has been commonly been mated to an "O" or "P" trim turbine wheel which are both pretty large depending on the application. I know for a fact that a stock Mustang 4.6L Engine responds very well to a single turbo setup featuring a 60-1 turbocharger running a stage 5 turbine wheel. If the 4.6L Engine is mildly built up with good flowing heads, then you want a 60-1 turbo mated to an O trim turbine wheel.
Now on to the big question, which one is better...
Turbonetics was founded in 1978, so up until about 12 or 15 years ago, they were buying a lot of parts from Garrett, BorgWarner, and KKK. They built one hell of a business taking other companies parts, putting them together and building better performance based turbochargers with the purpose of racing than the larger companies were doing who actually manufactured the parts. The company grew quickly and they make pretty awesome turbo's which today are mostly designed in house and produced for them (I'm not always sure where or who actually owns the equipment, it’s kept hushed pretty well). So at this point the argument comes down to this, they both make pretty great products just depends on who builds what you are looking for.
Pound for pound, a 60-1 turbo produced by Turbonetics or Garrett in the last 10 years are both pretty good turbo's that probably only vary as far as the center cartridge internal parts go and these aren't really huge differences.
Now for a little twist, a few years back Garrett introduced the "GT" series of turbochargers while Turbonetics fired back a short time later with their "GT-K" turbo line. Both of these turbo's feature ball bearing center sections along with updated turbine and compressor technology. Turbonetics makes the "GT-K 550" and Garrett produces the "GTX3076R - 803713-1" which are both the latest incarnations of the 60-1 compressor wheel with the most modern turbine wheels mated to them. To the naked eye, these compressor and turbine wheels do not appear to be much different than the regular old parts made before these two lines, but I know from running the Garrett 3076R-803713-1 on a 2.0L 4G63, the spool up due to the ball bearing center section and GT technology turbine wheel is about 3-400 rpms quicker in spool up than my older 60-1 standard bearing turbo with a stage 3 turbine wheel. I have not had the opportunity to get my hands on a GT-K 550 from Turbonetics but have read good things about the turbo on other forums.
Well, sorry for the small novel, but that is about the only way I could explain what is different about them. I would say that pound for pound they are both very good turbochargers. I can even toss in a dark horse by tying in the analogy of “do you buy a ford, chevy, or dodge truck”. BorgWarner makes a turbocharger called the S256 which has extended tip technology and if you were looking to purchase a brand new Garrett or Turbonetics off the shelf, I would also look at the S256 from BW.
Hope that helps! If you have more questions, I may have answers!
Last edited by BoostGear; 01-22-2011 at 04:50 PM. Reason: Punctuation Errors
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